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Thursday, October 05, 2006

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I hope that all that was said is true. I hope he is rehabilitated. You never can tell. A wife of domestic abuse could be afraid to testify against her husband. In her favor is his celebrity. If he ever gets out of line in the future, his story already is newsworthy, and he'll get the book thrown at him with no mercy.

In my mind today's hearing was heard in front of the jury of public opinion. I don't think that jury has rendered an opinion. I would tend to think he'll hear boos the rest of his career.

The only way he can reverse the public's adverse perception of him is to openly support charities that combat spousal abuse. He needs to make those his public charities of choice for the rest of his life.

I have to take issue with LF's post.

As a society, we often give leniency to high profile wife beaters from the sports world. I am not defending this practice, it is simply a fact.

Wasn't wife beater Warren Moon praised to the heavens at his Hall of Fame induction ceremony this summer--with not a word mentioned about his spousal abuse? Similarly, Bobbie Cox is lauded as a great manager, rather than pilloried as a wife beater.

I am not making excuses for Brett Myers' abominable conduct. But he deserves a second chance just as much as Warren Moon and Bobby Cox. No one is insisting that they do penance for the rest of their lives.

My above post on Myers is not a support of Myers. The jury in my own mind has not rendered an opinion on what should become of him. I think he's guilty of hitting his wife in public. I don't know what kind of punishment he should get. He's a social pariah in the minds of many. That punishment, he gets for life.

He has a choice to make right now. He can clean up his act and be an upstanding citizen the rest of his life, or he can do it again and go to jail.

"The only way he can reverse the public's adverse perception of him is to openly support charities that combat spousal abuse. He needs to make those his public charities of choice for the rest of his life."

As far as I know, no other high profile wife beater from the sports world has done what LF says Myers must do (devote himself to spousal abuse charities, etc.)

The way for Myers to rebuild his reputation is to a) show genuine remorse b) get professional help and, most important, c) make certain he never abuses a woman ever again.

It will take years, but if Myers lives clean from now on, eventually the public will forgive and forget. Look at the examples I have cited in Warren Moon and Bobby Cox.

another sad case where an athlete gets special treatment. what a ringing endorsement of our legal system.

Kim Myers' willingness to forgive completely cinches the fact that Phillies won't be trading her husband - it was unlikely to begin with. If *she* can let it pass, it follows that fans like me should be able to let it pass. Until the next incident provoked by Brett Myers' unchecked rage arises.

While I am not presuming myself fit to judge the domestic situation, I have to note the contradiction between the 911 callers' testimony of Kim Myers' crying, "I'm not going to let you do this to me anymore" and her own testimony today that "This is not something that happens on a daily basis, or ever." The police report stated that "officers found Kim Myers crying and with swelling on the left side of her face." Kim Myers today stated, "I was not hurt. I was not injured."

What these denials don't change is Myers' immaturity on the mound, which continues to prevent his development as a pitcher; this is a legitimate reason why I believed he should be traded while his value was very high, apart from the notion that he's a turd. But he is certain to be a Phillie in 2007.

I agree with both fightingphilsphan (FPP for short) and RSB.

From FPP, I agree with: "The way for Myers to rebuild his reputation is to a) show genuine remorse b) get professional help and, most important, c) make certain he never abuses a woman ever again. It will take years, but if Myers lives clean from now on, eventually the public will forgive and forget."

From RSB, I agree with: "he's a turd."

Remember way back when I said we would all feel differently about keeping Myers when the season was over?

I don't think we feel any differently. We still think he's a jerk and a better than average starting pitcher.

If we, as a society (as I know that everyone has their own individual thoughts on all of these topics) can forgive Ray Lewis for murder, forgive Kobe Bryant for his alleged transgressions, as well as the aforementioned Warren Moon and Bobby Cox (and Kirby Pucket to an extent), feel pity for the Dwight Gooden's of the world, turn the other cheek for Rafael Furcal, then certainly Philly fans will simply ignore this entire situation as long as Brett continues to wear the red pinstripes and give his 100%. Sad, but true. mg nailed it, athletes get a different kind of treatment, not just from the legal system, but the court of public opinion, as well.

I'm like everyone else here. What he did was deplorable and I take small solace knowing that Brett will have to live with himself for the rest of his life. That is no small punishment in and of itself. My thoughts on Brett the pitcher and Philly are mutuall exclusive of this story. Brett Myers NEEDS to be traded while his value is high (clearing his name makes it a little easier). I can't help but feel that he has about reached the ceiling of his potential. I'd say the same thing about any other player, regardless of personal history. What I don't want is another go-round of the Pat Burell saga, where he gets paid what everyone THINKS he's worth and only regresses from there.

Willard: What in the world makes you think Myers has reached "the ceiling of his potential"?

For all those who think Brett Myers is getting some kind of special break because he's an athlete, check with your local DA about how many spousal abuse cases are dropped because of failure of the spouse to appear, and how lenient the sentences are for first offenders; most judges are thrilled if they sentence someone to counseling and the convicted actually shows up.

What's different in this case is that Myers had the money and support from his employer to get immediate help, which ought to increase his chances of learning his lesson and unlearning the behavior he displayed in Boston. The typical lowlife keeps the beatings up until he ends up in prison.

yeah, I have a hard time seeing that Myers has plateaued as well. it's easy to forget this, but Myers is actually younger than Howard, Utley, Rollins and Ruiz.

I don't know, I'd call this getting special treatment:

"Myers, an ace of the Phillies staff, went 12-7 this season with a 3.91 ERA. He was treated as a celebrity by court officers, who shook his hand and patted him on the back. One told him, 'Good luck, it will be all right' while another said, 'Nice seeing you again'."

[from the AP: http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/15686160.htm ]

I guess not much more than a hunch. I think Myers is going to struggle being second banana to Hamels. I think things like this episode show how fragile his patience and temper can be. I don't have any documented evidence, other than to say that he's always thrived at being the "stop gap." That role, hopefully, will not be needed in the future and I could see him struggling with that. I just don't want the window of opportunity to pass to get some good value. Ask the Mets about not trading Milledge for Zito earlier this year. My guess is that they're kicking themselves over that one now.

I was disappointed and saddened to read that Kim Myers has dropped the charges. We'll never know the real details but I am also concerned about the contradiction shown in her quotes "I'm not going to let you do this to me anymore" and her own testimony today that "This is not something that happens on a daily basis, or ever." I'm not surprised mind you but I am sick at heart. If this did happen, what's the incentive for someone to get help when the charges are dropped?

Why would you be disappointed and saddened that she dropped the charges? WHo are we to judge their relationship and what type of things they have gone thru to repair of the last 3 months?

willard: With a few exceptions, pitchers take much longer to reach their peaks than hitters. Myers reminds me quite a bit of Jason Schmidt, whose talent did not translate into results until his 6th full season in the bigs. Myers has just completed his 4th season and you can see a gradual improvement. I think he'll have his best seasons within 2 years.
I'm sure you're right about the Mets and Zito given their injury mess, but Zito is the most fascinating story of the offseason. He's the best FA pitcher out there, but his past 3 seasons haven't been remotely as good as his first 3, which makes you wonder about his health. His Ks were down from last season and his hits and BBs were up. He will be wildly overpriced. He could turn out be another Cris Carpenter. He could also turn out to be another Matt Morris. Frankly, I wouldn't take the risk.

There is a positively wonderful story about Chris Coste in this morning's Philadelphia Daily News by Mark Kram -- notably *not* by naysayer beatwriter Marcus Hayes. The link is:

http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/sports/15692356.htm?template=contentModules/printstory.jsp

davthom: Should only positive stories about the Phillies be printed?

if myers wasn't an athlete his employer would never have known about the charges, and he could go about his life without every internet speculator judging him and his life without first-hand knowledge. Some "special treatment".

One event is a anomaly, twice is a pattern. I'll be wary of Brett from now on, but I'm not going to boo him. Right now to me he's a man who let momentary rage get the better of his senses. This perception could change if this happens again. We can all hope that this event and its publicity will always stay with him.

Also, I believe that if it does happen again he will get the book thrown at him.

Eileen, I think it's interesting that you put more faith in what a drunk person screams at 1AM, then what she says in court totally sober.

And I commend Alby for having a real-world observation of justice system's handling of spousal abuse cases. What's more interesting is that most of the abuse cases happen in private not on a busy Boston street. If there was celebrity bias, it was due to the fact that the prosecution should have had enough other witnesses to not need Kim's testimony. Remember all the eye-witness reports? So either those witnesses accounts were uncredible or the judge gave Myers the preferential treatment of a celebrity. If he did, the prosecution could still re-present their case and/or appeal the dismissal.

On another topic, being still bruised by the stellar last week of the season performance by the Padres and the Dodgers, I am so happy that they are both down 2-0 in best of five first round games. They caused me to be unhappy at the end of the season. Let them go down in flames, and then let the Cards stick it to the Mets!

clout, I can see your point on pitchers. Hopefully, you're right. I'd love to see Myers continue to dominate, as long as he's in a Phillie uni. Zito is one of many who will be wildly overpaid this off-season. The Phils won't even be in the mix. This team has made it VERY clear that personnel decisions will be made with the payroll number as the primary factor.

I just wish that Gillick gave us something other than Myers legal issues to discuss. For better or worse, Manuel is coming back and I think I might be nauseous about that.

I think it important to point out that Kim Myers' expressed desire in court to drop the charges against her abusive husband while at the same time stating "I was not hurt. I was not injured." fit an all-too-common pattern in spousal abuse cases, public and private. I'd be more worried about her future than the jerk to whom she is married.

Hamels isn't necessarily a sure thing. I don't think Myers will necessarily be the #2 to Hamels, and definitely not next year. Hamels is injury prone and has a lot of growing to do. Myers still has a little growing to do, but is definitely showing he can be a good pitcher every year.

Myers punishment should fit the crime - another year on the Phillies active roster.

Is the orange haired chick the pic of Kim Myers?

Of course Kim wasn't hurt, she's a Berks County native. They don't come much tougher. I'm shocked she didn't lay him out on Boylston. In all seriousness, though, next year should be a good measuring stick as to how the future of this staff will shake out. I think Hamels can be the #1 next year - he certainly has his teammates support if recent quotes are any indication.

Just a general question - any chance of an RSS feed for the more sporadic offseason posting schedule? Thanks!

Any way you look at this, it's an ugly situation. I just hope for the best for both Brett and his wife and now hopefully they can deal with the rest of this in privacy. Bottom line, Brett needs some anger management classes...should be mandatory.

>Brett needs some anger management
>classes...should be mandatory.

It would help him on the field, as well. His meltdowns after errors and other assorted mishaps on the field are holding him back.

"Eileen, I think it's interesting that you put more faith in what a drunk person screams at 1AM, then what she says in court totally sober."

in veno veritas

From a baseball standpoint, he needs to start keeping the ball in the yard. It almost always happens after something doesn't go his way. He has enough good stuff for this not to be such an issue.

In the early days of Beerleaguer when I used to blame a lot on Lieberthal, I would have said Myers would benefit from a take-charge catcher. I still think this is true a little bit. I was never a big fan of the way some of the Lieberthal/Myers games unfolded.

>he needs to start keeping the ball in the yard.

Meh, take two splitters and call me in the morning.

His new-found split finger should drastically reduce his HR numbers. Particularly at CBP.

I think that Coste is the take charge catcher you talk about, but there can be personality conflicts...

It might seem like an obvious, hindsighted thing to say, but you have to believe even the Phillies, even at home, could have done better than throwing one run combined at St. Louis in the first two DS games like the Padres. That is truly weak! I thought the Padres were going to go to the World Series. Uh, guess not.

Kudos to Tom Goodman for his remarks on Kim Myers' comment ("I was not hurt. I was not injured." fit an all-too-common pattern in spousal abuse cases, public and private. I'd be more worried about her future than the jerk to whom she is married."). This is what I was thinking - I was wondering that she may be saying "i'm not hurt" and dropping the charges out of fear.
My point was that without the charges, there is no reason for Brett to get any help(e.g. counseling, anger management assistance) IF this is in fact what is needed. We don't know the facts and true, if he wasn't a celebrity, we would have never heard of this. However,folks has discussed Brett's anger management issues on the field for quite a while. This is the first time that we've heard it spill over into the public. I hope it is a one time thing. But, right now, I don't feel good about it.

RSB, I've been thinking the exact same thing. watching these NL playoffs is unbelievably frustrating...

ae: The playoffs are an alternate reality. There was no worse team in the major leagues than the Cardinals down the stretch. There was no team that played better than the Dodgers, who won 9 of their last 10.

SD-Stl: I think SD has a chance to make it a series, because if anyone can collapse this postseason, it's the Cards

NY-LA: LA may be able to pull out Game 3, but there's no way they're going to be able to overtake the Mets lineup in 3 straight games. Ironically, the Mets may have benefitted the most from short series since their starting rotation shriveled up. I don't think that they could win 4 against SD, however, if the Cards are facing them, it's gonna be a cakewalk till they get smushed in the WS.

Oak-Minn: Only interesting because of the possibility of Oak collapsing yet again. I think they can pull it off this year though.

NYY-Det: In a five game series the idea should be split the two away and take care of business at home. Kenny Rogers and Bonderman, with Zumaya, might actually be able to pull this off. Of course they always have the crossing fingers when Todd Jones gets the call.

I said: "There is a positively wonderful story about Chris Coste in this morning's Philadelphia Daily News by Mark Kram -- notably *not* by naysayer beatwriter Marcus Hayes. The link is:

http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/sports/15692356.htm?template=contentModules/printstory.jsp "

Clout responds: "davthom: Should only positive stories about the Phillies be printed?"

Of course not, Clout, and that was not my point at all. However, in my opinion, Marcus Hayes was a lazy beatwriter covering the Phillies this year. Hayes showed very little initiative, and little-to-no investigative journalism as he covered the team in 2006. Considering that Hayes travelled with the club all season, Hayes' daily performance was poor, in that only the bare minimum appeared from him in the Daily News each morning. Furthermore, Hayes was a reporter, and opinion pieces from him are not appropriate in the sports news columns of the paper. Perhaps more than anything else, however, as was revealed recently in threads on the Phillies Forum on Philly.com, the newspaper's own board, Hayes responded to critical e-mails from readers/bloggers by saying that those people "deserved Philadelphia's lousy sports teams." A completely unprofessional and imature outburst. The guy's simply a lousy sportswriter -- in my First Amendment-protected opinion. So there, Clout.

I have to register disagreement, Davthom. While Hayes isn't my favorite person in the world, he writes far better and far more thoroughly than his counterpart on the Inquirer, Todd Zolecki. While Zolecki's game recaps are always threadbare, Hayes at least follows the five 'w's and lets you know what the hell happened in the game.

RSB: As you may know, my criticisms of Hayes do not stand in isolation. Substantial critical comment of Hayes' Phillies coverage performance has appeared on the Phillies Forum (Philly.com) this season, with little or no favorable comment, to my present recollection. But what really set me off was seeing the dismissive disrespect which characterized Hayes responses to readers' e-mails to him, which responses were copied and posted by those readers on Phillies Forum.

As a former newspaper reporter and columnist, let me say that Marcus Hayes isn't the only print journalist having a hard time adjusting to a world in which the readers have the opportunity to judge your work in real time, and to repond to it in online forums. I don't read the Philly papers except for Conlin's column, so I can't say if DavThom is being too hard on him, but from a journalist's perspective, it's very tough to get good people to join a newspaper (Daily News) that is on life support. For the younger readers, the Daily News sports section was once so good that the No. 4 columnist was John Schulian, who had a pretty good second career as a TV writer. Conlin couldn't even break into the rotation; he was just the Phillies beat man.

And on the usual adjudication of spouse abusers: The Attorney General's race in Delaware, where I live and work, featured a call this week by one candidate for an overhaul of the rules for these cases: He wants to change the law so that someone violating a Protection From Abuse order can go to jail on the first offense. As it now stands, it takes THREE (3!) violations -- which, obviously, come only AFTER abuse has occurred -- before jail time is mandatory. Eileen and Tom Goodman are right; the pattern here is woefully familiar. All I was saying is that when it comes to spousal abuse, ALL men get special treatment.

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