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Tuesday, September 05, 2006


This dude is going to get lit up. book it.

I dont understand why we're giving these spot starts to fresh faces? is there an injury in the starting 5 that we dont know about?

i understand the need for fresh bodies with back to back doubleheaders, but why in the middle of the week?

teams with real farm systems can do this sort of thing. on the pitching front, we're not as far off from being real as the hitting front. i think i'd much rather have a fairly solid minor leaguer the other team has no book on throw this game, than one of the other current starters on limited rest or, worse, somebody's used up rent-a-trash. if mazone can give us a 'lidle' (6IP, 3R), that would be fantastic (and free, essentially). anecdotally, it also sends a message to the guys in the minors to be ready at all times. totally speculation on my part, but i think that's got to be some sort of a positive.

They pitched their five man rotation in four days. The Mazone start, allows them to get back to the five day rotation, allowing Lieber to start where he normally would. Down the road, it looks like a couple of pitchers will get an extra day's rest.

You didn't mention his steroids.

I like this move. like gr said, you get an unknown quantity (esp. a lefty) who's never pitched in the majors before - i.e. the kind of guy who always seems to give the Phillies fits. and if Coste can put things together at 33, why not Mazone at 30?

he looks like he had a pretty decent season in 2005 as well, although as a 29-year-old in AA that's not something to put on your resume.

I'd agree GR. how many times have the phils come up against an unknown minor-leaguer, only to walk away scratching their heads?

I also like the fact that Pat doesn't just think of the athletic five-tools guys as the people he wants in his farm system and the majors. If he's prepared to call up anyone, instead of the anointed prospects, it shows that he's always assessing possibilities.

This is encouraging, even if the young prospects he seems to favour are not ones that the sabremetrically minded would like to see in a farm system.

Any preparedness to be rexamine your own work and look for possibilities outside of the box has to be a good thing in a GM.

I like the fact that PG is not afraid to roll the dice and gamble. Thinking outside the box is good.

Problem is that if Burrell doesn't start hitting, Little Papi isn't going to get pitches to hit. At least Pat is going with the pitches more and more to RF.

Who know what this guy will do, it's an unkown.

Chris: Didn't mention it because I didn't know. Wow. Here's a link. Mazone was one of a handful of players busted for performance enhancing drugs last season:

Mazone put up amazing numbers for Scranton this season. I know that does not translate to big league success...but hey, at least we can think he has a shot at helping. This is the type of guy that can really be a big suprise.

Did anyone else catch Tom Verducci at about how, if he does it, Ryan Howard is the rightful heir to Roger Maris's 61 record? Thoughts? Besides Holy Cow?

"there is no room for antagonists and personal attacks. Nobody is interested in reading a comment thread that is one long, angry argument. Please do not engage in this type of behavior, and if you feel you are being antagonized, don’t take the bait. I’ll take care of the rest. "

The new Beerleaguer logo will be a drawing of Jason as a lion tamer, equipped with chair, whip and pistol.

Does anyone have the video of the guy who ran onto the field on Sunday and bowed in front of Ryan? We've been discussing it at the office today and I can't seem to locate it.

Ken Rosenthal wrote about Howard at The stink of Bobby Bonds, McGuire and Sosa slipped into the article when he wrote: "And he's a slugger who is untainted by suspicion of performance-enhancing drug use at a time when the game is trying to emerge from the Steroid Era.

No one can state definitively that Howard or any other player is clean, not when players can still beat MLB's drug testing by using undetectable substances.

Likewise, no one can state definitively that a player is dirty unless he tests positive for a banned substance. And fans have shown that even in an age of heightened suspicion, they're not going to assume the worst."

It's a real shame. I hope Howard hits at least 62 homers and raises back the topic of the tainted records of those three 'roidheads.

I don't think any community is complete without trolls and flamebait, but, as an observer, I can say I can glean reasonable counterpoints from the angry arguments, regardless of the vitriol involved.

I like some of these eleventh hour moves. One side can claim that it hurts our playoff chances, but we're going to need some of these untested guys. Our regulars are out of gas and there's a month to go in the regular season!

I'll be attending Mazone's game. I hope steroids did more for him than Ryan Franklin.

Mike, I just read Tom Verducci's article at It's definitely worth reading. He wrote what I think (and posted above, before I read this article.)

As an hinterland Phillies fan, I hope the Howard HR chase for 62 will cause ESPN to broadcast a few more of their games.

The Reaper confirmed in today's papers why he cant be on steroids "look at my barrel (belly)"

A fat guy saved baseball in 1920 and now a chubby guy will save them in 2k6.

While we're on the subject of The Howitzer, consider this naked stat when debating the MVP:

Beltran: 4
Pujols: 23
Howard: 22

Place Delgado & Wright behind Pujols or Howard and either runs away with the MVP.

Take that Mets fans!

>The stink of Bobby Bonds, McGuire and Sosa
>slipped into the article when he wrote:

You meant Barry, right?

I kindof like the idea of Cabrera as #5 hitter behind Ryan. Plus, it would solidify the best infield in baseball.

now... i wonder what it would take to pry cabrera from the fish.

This reminds me of the time we gave a start to that off-speed pitcher who was dominating triple a 4 seasons back on the fox sunday game of the week... Joe Roa, right? It didn't turn out that bad.

Mazone is going to get lit up. 85 mph fastballs all day. We might have to give the fans in the OF helmets for protection.

Joe, Oops! I'm sorry. I'm showing my age, having grown up with "Bobby" Bonds. I meant "Barry" Bonds as a member of the Unholy Trinity.

Joe's comment about the best infield in baseball hit home with me. Here's a 'what if' question: what if the phils had drafted Mark Texiera instead of Gavin Floyd in 2001 and put Tex at third base? (Granted Texiera is a little too big to be a prototype hot corner defender; he would probably fare no better than Troy Glaus with the glove.)

Would Texiera, Rollins, Utley and Howard have been the best infield in NL history?

Jason, where did you see that Mazone is pitching? has Germano as tomorrows pitcher.

Unless there was a last-minute change, it was reported in the Inquirer and Daily News this morning.

I'm kind of surprised that the Phillies aren't opting for Brito to make tomorrow's start. Not that he's any world-beater, obviously, but he fared decently in the extended outing against Atlanta the other night, and moreover he's done this before. Bringing up a guy to pitch the very first time is more than a little risky under these circumstances; besides not knowing how he'll fare against big-league hitting, you also don't know to what extent the inevitable nerves he'll experience will affect his ability to pitch.

re: best infield in NL history - Bill James does an extended bit on what the best infield in history was in the Historical Baseball Abstract (in a discussion, I think, on the '70s Reds). as I recall, the best ones were Connie Mack's $10,000 infield (Stuffy McInnis, Eddie Collins, Jack Barry and Frank "Home Run" Baker) and any of Honus Wagner's peak seasons (just because Wagner was so dominant). can't remember what the best modern infields were...

They might be keeping Brito as long relief if Mazone gets smacked around early. After all, their rotation and bullpen need all the rest they can get. I think Mazone will be fine, as never-seen pitchers always have an advantage. If he can get through the lineup twice with a limited ERA, I'd consider it a success. Of course, even the lesser Astros proved they could hit slower balls a long way against Hamels, and he was absolutely dominant yesterday.

RSB: I have no stats to back me up, but if memory serves me, rookie pitchers frequently seem to have an edge in their first starts against major league hitters if for no other reason than familiarity. If true, that alone would mean Mazone is the better bet than Brito. And while Brito hasn't faced the Astros either, as far as I can recall, there might be film on him. I never realized until yesterday that hitters will watch film of unfamiliar opposing pitchers even during a tight game. Utley said he went into the tunnel to watch film on Borkowski but didn't have enough time so he watched him work against J-Roll and Shane.

ESPN ran an article on how the Abreu deal was their "best in six years"- see here.

>even the lesser Astros proved they could hit
>slower balls a long way against Hamels

The two long balls were a result of hitters sitting on Hamel's changeup. Hamel's needs to continue to develop and throw the curve.

Tray: What made the Abreu/Lidle deal so great from the Yanks standpoint is they gave up next to nothing. Matt Smith is the only one of the bunch likely to see much time in the bigs and he's strictly a situational reliever. Klapisch is right, it will go down as one of the best Yankee trades ever.

I'd rather see Germano than Mazone. germano's chances of success longer term are better. Brito should stay ready to jump in early if whoever starts gets knocked out. Burrell will be key against Pettitte tonight, if the game is played.

As much as I hted them, you have to give recognition to the Cey/Russell/Lopes/Garvey infield of the Dodgers.

I'll go Big Red Machine for best modern infield: Rose, Concepcion, Morgan, Perez

the relevant part of the HBA is on 548 to 553 of the '01 edition...the best infield of all time (per Win Shares) is the 1914 $100,000 infield of the A's, McInnis, Collins, Baker and Barry. second is the 1908 Pirates, strictly due to Honus Wagner. third is the 1913 A's, and fourth is the first modern team: the 1934 Tigers with Hank Greenberg and Charlie Gehringer posting two excellent seasons and 3B Marv Owen and SS Billy Rogell putting up respectable numbers. fifth is a tie between the 1913 A's and the first post-WWII team on the list: the 1982 Brewers. MVP Robin Yount at SS, 32 HR/121 RBI Cecil Cooper at 1B, 136 run Paul Molitor at third, and a respectable season from Jim Gantner at second.

the 1975 Reds are only a single point behind the '82 Brewers, putting them on an essentially even level. the '76 Reds are just a few points behind as well. the 1972-77 Reds rank as the best modern infield over a span of several years.

James doesn't rank any of the '70s Dodgers infields among the greatest of all time, although he notes that they are in the top 10%, which is as he says "a hell of a foundation for a team." they don't rank as highly because none of the four were really superstars, and Russell's injury in '75 hurts one of their best seasons.

the Phillies, by the way, do make his list: the 1974 season ranks in a tie for 36th with 95 Win Shares. (they're tied with the '10 A's, '32 Yankees, '33 Sens, '52 Giants, and '69 Twins.) Mike Schmidt's first All-Star selection and first Gold Glove, and solid seasons from Dave Cash, Larry Bowa, and Willie Montanez in his last full season in a Phillies uniform.

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